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gnmtyf (July 19, 2008 at 12:56 am)
Amen
art2ken (July 18, 2008 at 6:39 am)
Usually there are only the SDAs and the Mainstream christians. But now, there is this group which holds the truths from both sides, but is also able to discard the errors from either. I find them very rare and very precious.
spooteronicus (July 15, 2008 at 6:05 pm)
Do we now have 2 requirements 1 for accepting Christ and receiving the Spirit and 1 for getting sealed? Is it not the same Holy Spirit that we already have dwelling in us? If that is not already being sealed I don;t know what is. But to take a single commandment and say that perfect obedience of that one commandment is the seal of God? I just do not see that as tthe main thrust of the gospel or the end time events of earth's history.
spooteronicus (July 15, 2008 at 6:03 pm)
But to make those "good works" a requirement instead of a result of salvation is not Biblical. We all know that no good works are possible unless we already have God's Spirit. And if we already have His Spirit when we became "saved" (or accepted Jesus if you will), then where does the Bible say we must also keep the Sabbath to "get the seal"? which we already have because God already approved of us when He gave us His Spirit when we accepted Christ.
spooteronicus (July 15, 2008 at 5:59 pm)
It would be impossible for us to please God by our own works so sabbath observance would undeniably have to come as a result of a relationship with Jesus. So the question becomes, "is a saving realtionship with Jesus enough for a person to have the seal of God"? OR is the person also required to keep the Sabbath to have that seal .. grace + works? My Bible says by grace alone. Certainly works do follow and show our relationship is genuine.
spooteronicus (July 15, 2008 at 5:56 pm)
If keeping/not-keeping the Sabbath can cause us to be sealed or marked then how does our relationship with Jesus factor in? Can I be a sabbath-keeper who does not have a personal relationship with Jesus and still be saved? (take the Jews for instance, who believe in God and keep the Sabbath) Of course not, so it is obvious that a relationship with Jesus is the thrust of the gospel.
art2ken (July 15, 2008 at 6:47 am)
Im not saying that all who believe that they are saved are truly saved,(specially nowadays when its very easy to claim/profess christianity). But its not right to teach to be faithless in Christ's saving power. Not to mention the IJ which cements this idea. If youll look at it closely, EGWs teaching another kind of gospel. One that is "by works" and faithless.
art2ken (July 15, 2008 at 6:31 am)
EGW states that = no lips can utter that they are saved...This sounds sincere, but sincerely wrong i think. Its only true to those who dont understand the message of the Gospel of Christ. The Bible intends that anyone who trusts in Jesus for their salvation must believe that He truly saves them. Maybe EGW has not encountered this truth yet & therefor taught a wrong and FAITHLESS teaching being a prophet and all. Man...
art2ken (July 15, 2008 at 6:16 am)
So, whats with this Sunday = mark of the beast THEORY? Even if it happens, its objective would be no more than to mislead from Gods saving power.
art2ken (July 15, 2008 at 6:11 am)
Let us suppose that a worldwide Sunday law is passed. The question would be = Will God suddenly be inclined to mark Sunday-keepers as unfit for heaven? Anybody who understands how Jesus saves knows that no amount of sin/power is enough to separate from the love of God. |
