bambino291 (July 26, 2008 at 4:30 am)

Lol 1plus, I would love to see someone film anything like the videos of the rover on the moon two and half times faster.Again, you need to prove that the video was slowed down.Lol 1plus, you always seem to try to ignore the basic problems with your claims...

1plus8 (July 26, 2008 at 3:56 am)

nothing of all that , it just prove that slow motion can fool many peoples for cheap. nasa slowed down the video , meaning the speed seen on the video isn't the REAL speed of the rover , at best the video is slowed down by 2,46x .i've checked the wheels , and it seems that they turn at 2,5 - 3 m/s (for the few segment i was able to see the rotation at least) wich is very low , and the lower the apparent speed , the easier the fakery with more powerfull engine - rotation speed.

snoberts (July 26, 2008 at 3:33 am)

Are there any other hoax believers out there who would like to comment on these calculations? The maths is not that complicated but it does require a clear thinking mind. The rover clip in GM's video proves to be a great demonstration that the moon footage is authentic. Anyone?

snoberts (July 26, 2008 at 3:22 am)

1plus8, Collier's quote is "this rooster tail should probably have gone up 60 feet in the air, and yet it only goes up maybe less than 10 feet". What I've demonstrated to you is that on Earth, to throw dust up to the height the lunar rover does in this footage, it's wheels must spin at around 19mph. The fact is that the rover is only travelling at around 8 mph in this footage, probably less, and its wheels were geared to travel at no more than 12.07mph.

AIAHeadQuarters (July 26, 2008 at 2:03 am)

suit is bout 80 kilos

bambino291 (July 26, 2008 at 1:14 am)

"that we should see apex at 18 meters (compared with the observed 3 meters of the video he believe filmed on earth)"How does he know it shouldn't be 3 meters on the moon?

bambino291 (July 26, 2008 at 1:13 am)

1plus, how do you know the dust is too low for it to be on the moon?

1plus8 (July 26, 2008 at 12:29 am)

that he believe to be filmed on earth , not on the moon , my mistake ...

1plus8 (July 26, 2008 at 12:28 am)

For the 4th time , Collier speak from a point of view that make him compare the scene that he believe to be filmed on the moon , with the scene that we should expect IF it was filmed on the moon , that's why he use the 6 times MORE ratio , and not the 6 times LESS , by ignoring (on purpose) the fact the he speak from this earth/moon ratio , and not from moon/earth ratio , you are trying to misrepresent a claim and make an argument out of it , when this argument is just your FICTION.

snoberts (July 25, 2008 at 11:46 pm)

And what I have already shown you, is that if the rover footage was shot on Earth, at 8mph the rover would kick dust only to heights less than 1 metre, because the gravity is higher on Earth. Any misunderstanding I have of your english is because it does not really make any grammatical sense to read, not from any deliberate attempt to misunderstand. I don't want this to degenerate into an insult match. We are close to getting to an understanding of the facts here and I don't wish be distracted.